People who use astrology for stocks do NOT use tropical. But over time the Suns axes with Earth began to drift away from the constellations associated with those parts of the year. My Progressed Amaravella Virgo 6 11' I accept the possibility that Patrick Watsons analysis may be inaccurate and assume full responsibility for any actions I independently undertake in response to the analysis of my horary. Tropical shows us whats always going to be true, sidereal shows us whats true in this era. It's not as confusing as it may seem to understand why. Vedics and Hellenists devised their system of divination using philosophical approaches on an imprecise view of the cosmos using the limited charting capabilities of the time. Please note that Cafe Astrology uses the Tropical Zodiac by default. Another important point is - 3,000 yrs. Because the tropical system is a Solar-based system the commonly held opinion is that the tropical system is better at describing the personality and psychological patterns. Ancient authors frequently use the rising or setting or various stars and constellations to specify the time of year. He is a genius that has studied Tesla, Stienmetz, Heaviside, Maxwell and is known to be the top expert on fields/magnetism/physics and metaphysics. I mean, I think tropical Leo is still going to be tropical Leo even now that Regulus is in tropical Virgo, as just tropical Virgo's now going to have this very specifically lion-like star in it that it hasn't had before. It felt like my chart wasnt looked at. He helped me understand some of the conflicts I have been facing with family and career, and even some of the challenges my children have been facing during recent transits. Make a list of your planets and their degrees as shown below. The intersection of the circles of the Same and the Other shows the intersection of what is archetypally incidental and recurring. Whats the point of getting accurate birth times then? chart. Ive been pondering this because ive been experimenting with both chart designs for both natal interpretations and for timing life events. This would work long into the future but eventually, over long periods of time as the stars shift position, they could conceivably move into a new sidereal/galactic sign. Im not sure how far we could take the analogy, but keeping it within the framework of astrology itself makes my brain happy ^_^. I just recently started studying my sidereal chart after strongly identifying with my tropical for most of my (young) life. (He was also super nice to me, a non english speaker. While the Earths axial precession occurs at a rate of 1/72 years, the movement of stars around the center of the galaxy from our perspective is seemingly chaotic, albeit glacial. 27/28 Lunar Mansions. In astrology, sidereal and tropical are terms that refer to two different systems of ecliptic coordinates used to divide the ecliptic into twelve "signs". He gives you a great perspective on your life and how it unravels by pinpointing period in your past that will echo through today (and tomorrow!). There is not, as far as I am aware, a compelling sidereal rationale for planetary rulerships. Amazingly, the galactic center is located in the nakshatra called Mula which means root, a near implausibly appropriate name for the galactic center, considering that it comes from a Vedic construct from thousands of years before the discovery of the galactic center. Ken teaches platos divided line and its relationship with all that is manifest or emanation. Roughly 2000 years ago, tropical Aries aligned with sidereal Aries, and while ancient astrologers were to some degree aware of precession, they didnt concern themselves with their differences since they were still small in their own time. Learning from Ken, we can easily see that the universe is the exact same thing as a magnet with its precession i.e., Larmor frequency. 100% of his answers to the question Horary are compatible with my life. I soaked up all the info that he had to offer, and as I started learning more about the techniques he uses, I thought more about possibly getting a reading. One of the fundamental problems of astrology that gets ignored, or written off too much. Leo links with Simha (August 15-September 15) Virgo links with Kanya (September 16-October 15) Libra links with Tula . Sidereal astrology ignores this and continues to use the Fixed Stars in the same way as they were 2,115 years ago in 100 BC. The Sidereal Zodiac model is one of the two fundamental astrological systems that divide the celestial sphere into twelve segments, or astrological signs. I love this explanation of the, sidereal vs tropical debate. I. E. lets spend 15min talking about what the 8th house represents versus what this means for me. The June solstice is 0 Cancer. A lot to think about. Overall, it felt like a flimsy reading. In his book, Astrology A Language of Life: Volume IV- Relationship Analysis , Robert P. Blaschke discussed some of his unique relationship analysis methods page 96: he wrote He is quite gifted and can do many types of readings. Whilst this isn't a debate of whether one is "better" or "more accurate" than the other, there are some significant differences between the two that should be taken into account. There are two Zodiac systems that correspond to the two schools of astrology tropical and . Leo's often choose the wrong partner and end up with a broken heart. All Astrology with a psychological and transpersonal approach is based on the tropical astrology. For example, cardinal, fixed and mutable signs only make sense in a tropical framework, the signs where the Sun is when a season begins, continues and transitions. What are the strengths and weaknesses of the Sidereal Zodiac and when does it make sense to use the sidereal model instead of the Tropical Zodiac?. highly recommend him. Planetary rulerships belong to the tropical zodiac. It spans the 150-180th degree of the zodiac, between 152.75 and 180 degree of celestial longitude, which the Tropical zodiac the Sun transits this area on average between August 23 to September 22 each year. So, to dovetail this line of reasoning with your own, the Tropical zodiac would correspond more to a natal chart, and perhaps the Sidereal could equate more with a progressed chart. Ophiuchus: December 7 to . with astrology, theres always a conflict of fate vs free will. Its a cop-out. Of these, the most widely used ayanamsha by Vedic astrologers worldwide is the Lahiri ayanamsha, also called the the Chitrapaksha ayanamsha. We may have to revisit our view of constellations period. it all depends on the story you want to have in this lifetime. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString();document.write(n + "
" + t); By my purchase I acknowledge and agree the following terms and conditions: 1) I do not hold Patrick Watson to be legally liable for any circumstances or consequences arising from my independent decision to undertake any action based on the timing recommendations provided by this electional service. By my purchase of this horary service I acknowledge and agree to the following terms and conditions: 1) I do not hold Patrick Watson to be legally liable for any circumstances or consequences arising from his analysis of my question. 4) I accept Patrick Watsons right to refuse service and provide a full refund on the basis of my questions validity or other ethical concerns. Wow! Astronology: We are now headed into eclipse season with this new moon/solar eclipse in sidereal Leo at 16 (tropical Virgo at 10), exact at 2:41 am EDT, September 13, 2015. Sidereal astrology has a western as well as an . I too am learning/studying for about 6 years now. I had a reading yesterday with Patrick, and it was one of the most helpful, thorough and on-target readings of my life. I am not well versed with Indian Astrology as I am with Tropical Astrology. Sight-singing with a fixed do allows you to use your voice more like a keyboard, with each note corresponding to a particular syllable regardless of the key. We even celebrate Labor Day when the Sun is in this sign, so Mercury's nocturnal earthy home is in Labora. Over the years, the stars have slowly changed location relative to Earth, which means . The tropical zodiac needs to solve its hemisphere problem. Both forms of astrology contain signs named after constellations. So I learned physics/metaphysics from Ken Wheeler. An astonishing thing to contemplate is that the ancient Vedic rishis were aware of the fact that the earth changes its tilt or wobbles on its axis. Mercury's nocturnal sign is associated with skills, trades, industriousness, measurements and exactitudes. Tropical is more akin to a movable do, in that the order stays the same even though the starting point can change. Very accurate description of my past and my future goals, fascinating discussion overall. them really simply and thoroughly. Isnt one enough? I thought, finally an astrologer with a practical approach, who really knows their stuff, and he has a personality too! Additionally, it bases on how we see the stars from here on earth, rather than on their fixed positions in the heavens. Objects further away from Earth reflect more divine and perfect states. And since the Sidereal zodiac more closely follows the movement of the stars which, as youve pointed out, will not even hold their constellations in the long run, that it would make more sense to alter the Sidereal. I was amazed with what he told me it was as if he knew me intimately. From the perspective of the tropical zodiac, the stars gradually advance through the solar-derived signs. The obvious reason why emphasizing one sign is limited is that there are so many potential configurations from which to interpret the same descriptive traits. tropical or sidereal moon in virgos. and motifs in my life. From this we can get the twelve zodiac positions, the galactic center (Milky Way, river of heaven). He gave me some really interesting, perspectives into my birth chart. I relate more to my Sidereal Zodiac. i was all-in on tropical astrology but over the last year, i began to shed my ego. First of all both zodiacs are exactly the same in the sense that there are 12 zodiac signs progressing from Aries to Pisces. That being said, I would not have been able to predict this pandemic without the premise of how things work and using the sidereal zodiac. Tropical Zodiac versus Sidereal Zodiac Both the sidereal zodiac and the tropical zodiac get there basis from the constellation zodiac. From this perspective, when we look at the stars through the tropical zodiac, were looking at how whats incidental and specific to an era in time relates to whats unchanging and archetypal. Birth city: ( Enter coordinates manually ) Time (local time) h min. Theyve never contradicted one another when the chart as a whole is considered. In a situation where Patrick Watson agrees a refund is warranted, refunds for purchases made in crypto will only be provided in USD at the original USD price. These answers are mesmerising but providing little context on knowing your personal self in an individual level, if not making it more confusing. Outside the ship is the unpredictability of the ocean, the capriciousness of the weather, the glacially shifting climate. 25 Feb 2023 23:49:36 One obvious one would be take the 12 year transit return of Jupiter. Here is the first class of my 102 course on the 12 signs of the zodiac, where the zodiac itself is clearly . The beginning of the constellation of Aries is what defines 0 Aries, although because theyre unequally sized, not everyone is sure exactly where the constellation of Aries begins. I really agree astrology needs some freshening up. Hence why we are in a quarantine where quaranta is 40 in Italian. Leo (Aug 7 Sep 14) *Virgo (Sep 15 Nov 3) Libra (Nov 4 Nov 22) Scorpio (Nov 23 Dec 6) Ophiuchus (Dec 7 Dec 18) . The cost of one zodiacs triumph would be the invalidation of a lot of the work that half of all astrologers have done with one of the zodiacs for hundreds or even thousands of years, which still doesnt really help the case for astrology. Ptolemy came rather late to the history of astrology when he decided that Tropical seasonal astrology was a reasonable way to resolve the precessional inaccuracy that had accumulated. 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